SUMMARY AND OUTLINE
Get ready for a thought-provoking episode that will take you on a wild ride of diverse topics and discussions. Join Darlene, Han, and Selen as they explore the moral gray area of self-experimentation with drugs and reveal exclusive insights into the inner workings of DC and Marvel studios.
With insightful critiques of popular movies, including the ethical inconsistencies of one protagonist and the illogical plot holes of others, this episode provides a fresh perspective on beloved stories. The podcast will also delve into the spiritual world, discussing the universal concept of good vs. evil and its relevance in modern society.
You’ll be captivated by the intelligent, engaging conversation and come away with a deeper understanding of the world around you.
Don’t miss this must-listen episode packed with intriguing and thought-provoking discussions!
1. Introduction and Overview
2. Movie Review and Discussion (Key Facts)
3. Case Study: Ethical Beliefs and the Renowned Scientist
4. Movie Review and Discussion (Darlene’s Thoughts)
5. DC Movie News and Updates
6. Spider-Man Movie News and Updates
7. Movie Review and Discussion (Villain Identity and Other Plot Details)
8. Marvel and DC News Update
9. Movie Review and Discussion (Plot Twist and Moral Inconsistency)
10. The Concept of Evil and Goodness
11. Marvel’s Future: A Question for the Listeners
12. Conclusion and Outro
TRANSCRIPT
Darlene Böcek [00:00:02]:
You are listening to They All Marvel podcast. This podcast is for Marvel, sci-fi and fantasy fans who want a Christian take on current pop culture, movies, books and music. I’m your host Darlene Böcek. I’m joined by pop star influencer Han Böcek and future bestselling author Selen Böcek. Today we are going to be talking about Morbius
Selen Bocek [00:00:29]:
and Guardians of the galaxy.
Darlene Böcek [00:00:32]:
Okay, this podcast will include spoilers, movie spoilers. If you haven’t seen it, do not proceed or
Han Bocek [00:00:41]:
proceed at your own risk.
Darlene Böcek [00:00:45]:
Okay, so let’s start with Han. Tell me, we just finished watching Morbius all together. Just finished. And before Han tells us his opinion, I do need to tell you, we are also joined by ChicaLola Böcek, who is our resident Havanese, but she looks just like Rocket Raccoon.
Han Bocek [00:01:09]:
Yeah and Chewbacca.
Darlene Böcek [00:01:11]:
You might hear her making some of her presence known. Alright so Han tell us what you thought about Morbius. This was your second time seeing it.
Han Bocek [00:01:26]:
Yes, this is my second time seeing it. First time I saw it in the theaters. Honestly, second time seeing it, I appreciated it more the second time. Obviously it’s no secret this movie is greatly made fun of, especially looking at the fact that it failed at the box office 2 times. But honestly, I like the action. I know the dialogue is a little bad and the movie is a little slow. But I’ll say the action and the fighting scenes are pretty top notch. What about you, Selen?
Selen Bocek [00:01:58]:
Personally, it was really bad. I found myself to be distracted quite a bit. Like I would be watching the movie but and like the words would be like I’d be listening to the words but it wouldn’t like you know register in my brain so it just kind of like I’ll watch it and I’m like wait what are they saying and so it was it was very slow for me but I’ll admit the action and some of the CGI was pretty cool and I like the the bats I really like the bats
Darlene Böcek [00:02:31]:
well it’s very interesting (sniff/sneeze!) –that was Chica saying hello — It’s very interesting that Han came back from college and he said, we got to watch this movie, It’s terrible. Everybody’s making fun of it. What was the… what was the thing that they were all saying about about Morbius? What’s the whole gossip about Morbius?
Han Bocek [00:02:59]:
It’s just very cringy. Dialogue’s cringy. They it’s like they’re trying to act like this is like the fifth installment of a series. And you can’t act all like, you know, cringy and like have cringy dialogue like this. This is a type of dialogue, it’s like as if you have Tony Stark dialogue, but dialed down to a 10 year old.
Selen Bocek [00:03:17]:
I was really looking at I was actually really looking forward to the line. It’s Morbin time, which Han told me was in the movie, but it wasn’t. So I was disappointed by that.
Darlene Böcek [00:03:28]:
Well, Han said that the movie was a box office failure. And then people started making fun of it kind of like a cult favorite where they made fun of it how bad it was. And so because there was all sorts of stir, what happened, Han?
Han Bocek [00:03:47]:
Then people started acting like it was the best movie. So they would always use the joke like, this movie made a more billion dollars at the box office. And they started saying like, this is the best movie ever. So the company decided to re-release it in theaters again and they lost even more money. Do you know anything about how much money they lost? I think from what I, I like, don’t quote me on this, but I’m pretty sure they like released to like 500 theaters something around that ballpark and they only got $16, 000 in ticket sales, but like that’s how much you pay for 1 theater. So we’re not even like… They lost money. They lost a lot of money. They just only had about like, I don’t know, like a thousand people more actually see the movie on the re-release.
Darlene Böcek [00:04:38]:
Well, so Han came back saying this is a terrible movie and then I saw the pre… I only saw the poster online, the cover, and I thought, well, what’s it about? And he’s like, no, you can’t even see the preview. You have to just watch the movie with us. And so I thought it was going to be a horror movie. And we kind of hesitated for a week or 2. We kept putting it off and then I watched it, and I loved it. I loved it and maybe what it is is a generation. Wait, you liked it? I really liked it. You know, we made this decision to only rent it. Renting it is 4.99, buying it $6. A $1 difference. Han’s like, we’ll never watch it again. Don’t waste that dollar.
Han Bocek [00:05:23]:
No, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, to be fair, we can watch it with a VPN through Netflix. We just wanted to watch it on the big TV.
Darlene Böcek [00:05:35]:
Okay, but I don’t we couldn’t watch it on the big TV again. If I would have paid a dollar more we could have seen it again. I really liked it. Maybe it’s a generation thing. Maybe it was written by people my age. Not like I’m like ancient, but I really thought it was well thought through. That very end maybe was terrible. The very end was maybe terrible. Because and we’ll get into that in a second. But otherwise I was very compelled to watch it interested in watching it and I think maybe Céline was influenced by Han saying it’s a lousy movie because he hadn’t said that.
Selen Bocek [00:06:14]:
Before Han even came here like I already heard about it and heard it was bad and like I was watching it with an open mind because sometimes I like movies that other people consider bad but I genuinely just didn’t really like it.
Darlene Böcek [00:06:31]:
So let’s talk about what’s so terrible about the movie. Let’s talk about you say you say dialogue. What did they say that was bad dialogue? I didn’t feel cringy. I’m really particular that dialogue doesn’t sound canned. And I didn’t feel that anything was unnatural. But was there a scene that you remember that was like, come on.
Han Bocek [00:06:49]:
Han was the one who mentioned dialogue so maybe you have to read it Oh no no I don’t even know how to read so I’d rather have you get your opinion on this because like honestly I’m just saying what the general population thought for me it was just like yeah
Selen Bocek [00:07:04]:
I mean I can’t I can’t think of any specific scenes because you won’t like me when I’m hungry.
Darlene Böcek [00:07:10]:
He won’t like me when I’m hungry was funny seriously that’s a whole scene that’s a whole line. There’s a lot of references I am Venom. I am Venom okay yeah I am Venom. What other easter eggs were in there? Daily Bugle.
Han Bocek [00:07:27]:
Batman? No, wait, he wasn’t. Honestly, it felt like Gotham.
Selen Bocek [00:07:32]:
It did
Darlene Böcek [00:07:33]:
have a feel of Gotham. The dark city and he’s Batman anyway. He’s like the Marvel Batman right? But he was a scientist sort of like Bruce Wayne is a scientist. Bat guy.
Selen Bocek [00:07:50]:
Yeah, I don’t remember specific dialogues, but I did feel like a few times that the line was kind of corny. It wasn’t bad, but I felt like they could’ve used better words or something.
Darlene Böcek [00:08:08]:
Maybe. I liked the storyline, I liked the idea. I was very surprised by who the villain ended up being. Really, I had no idea who the villain would be, but the fact that the villain was the person that it was, I said we’re going to have spoilers, so we might mention that in a little bit. But okay, so in the story, he’s trying to find a cure. He establishes his ethics at the very start by not accepting the Nobel Prize for medicine because it was an accident. He says it was not purposeful, I’m not going to accept it. And he got kind of in trouble by his friend, doctor that he was working with because they needed the financing. So they were kind of leaning a lot on Milo’s finances. You didn’t really understand where he got his money. That didn’t explain. We did hear that he dropped out of law school. So he was not a lawyer He was just probably naturally wealthy. It’s just he had to be that was that was not explained and so it became a it became an Eagle like the eagles of Mordor, eagles taken, rescuing them from Mordor, all the eagles, right? It was just a, what’s it called? Eagles. Deux ex Machina, which is where the author just creates it to make it work for the story. Deux ex Machina. Makina. The machine. The author created the machine to solve them instead of the character solving his own problem. But in any event, it’s a gimmick. So he creates a drug. He thinks it’s going to work because it worked on the rat. Okay, plot hole right there. Right? Like why did it work on the rat? Why did it not turn the rat into a monster?
Han Bocek [00:10:04]:
I mean the monster only comes out like when they need the blood. So maybe the rat just didn’t need blood at that moment in time.
Darlene Böcek [00:10:11]:
Yeah, but did they not watch it? You know, they didn’t explain why the rat, because the rat was the proof, and they didn’t explain why the rat wasn’t, or the mouse didn’t come back, I mean, didn’t have the same kind of symptoms. Of course, different DNA. Rats have different DNA. Pigs have more DNA similar to humans than rats do I think I heard, So then he goes on the ship. He creates his his medicine, but unlike the rat who dies and a few minutes later comes back this guy immediately turns into this monster so that was another plot hole. But in any event he ate the six guys on the ship. Then he inexplicably knows how to dive off of a ship, knows he’s going to survive if he dives off of a ship. Another kind of question. Yeah. So what else? So what else? I saw a very interesting ethic in there, though. Besides the fact he was set up to be ethical. Like to have a very strong ethic. And so the end of it, I mean he killed his friend because his friend was a bad guy. And then what did he do?
Han Bocek [00:11:52]:
And then he continued using his powers. Right. Yeah.
Darlene Böcek [00:11:58]:
And he joined up with some like…
Selen Bocek [00:12:01]:
Was it Vulture?
Darlene Böcek [00:12:03]:
Was he a good guy? No. No. He said that doesn’t make sense why he would become bad… maybe that’s why people didn’t like it
Han Bocek [00:12:14]:
I don’t think he’s a bad I think he’s uh he’s like a very great venom type of bad guy
Selen Bocek [00:12:24]:
Like there are some things he does that is like questionable but he’s also done good things kind of.
Darlene Böcek [00:12:28]:
He had his own ethic that’s right even the medicaid the way he’s using the drugs on himself though. But he’s using the drugs illegally. Isn’t it like morally gray? Well, it was only morally gray when he would hurt himself, right? Which is sort of like an acceptable, like experimenting on yourself. That’s how There’s a, the way we have stents, you know, those heart surgery, a doctor couldn’t get permission to do it, to do it on living people. He was trying to figure out a way of putting a stent into a heart, and the only way, he figured out a way, but he could only, he was only allowed to legally work on corpses but he needed it on a live person. And they wouldn’t permit him the hospital the research people wouldn’t permit him to work on a live patient so he did it on himself. And he got his nurse to help him. But he handcuffed her to the to the bed to the hospital bed, so that she thought he and she thought that he was going to do it on her. She was willing for him to do it on her, but he ended up doing it on himself. He handcuffed her so she wouldn’t stop him. So she did it on herself. He did it on himself, I’m sorry. And when he did it on himself, he survived. And we have stents today because the doctor tried it on himself. He got the Nobel Prize for literature for that. I mean, not literature, for science. Nobel Prize for science.
Han Bocek [00:14:08]:
You’re rubbing off on too much on the conversation.
Darlene Böcek [00:14:14]:
So the question, This is around the time of the Second World War. So the question is, if doctors are allowed to experiment on themselves, right? Is it unethical?
Han Bocek [00:14:27]:
I don’t think it is. I don’t think it’s unethical.
Darlene Böcek [00:14:30]:
So I don’t even say it’s gray. It’s like if you’re sure of your thing, there’s lots of stories like that. Cure for dizziness, what’s it called, vertigo, was solved by a doctor on himself. So doctors sometimes have to believe such and such is true. Sometimes they have to show, prove it on themselves. So I wouldn’t say that’s grey. But what’s bad is that they turned that and morphed it into his Into… he now suddenly is all bad. He kills his friend for being bad and now he’s allowed to be bad. Right? So the end is maybe why people are like come on would you would you say the movie would be better if he had killed himself?
Han Bocek [00:15:23]:
I mean that there would be no sequel
Selen Bocek [00:15:26]:
do we really want a sequel though I don’t know if the sequels even happening
Darlene Böcek [00:15:31]:
I mean they got the girl… the vampire girl’s awake now, right? Yeah. We do we want it. They will not have many they have to pay back. I’m on their debt
Selen Bocek [00:15:36]:
Yeah, all the money they lost from this and plus isn’t it? This is there any like demand for more views to anyway,
Darlene Böcek [00:15:48]:
I don’t think so. Especially going getting together he’s joining up with… Vulture.
Han Bocek [00:15:52]:
I don’t know if it’s called Vulture. I think he’s gonna be in like the… Sorry for interrupting you. I don’t know what it’s called something like the Evil 6 or something it’s like a very popular Spider-man comic that’s what they’re trying to build towards where it has the vulture Morbius and then like this Rhino looking guy Green Goblin they’re trying to get all 6 together because obviously Tom Holland’s signed up for another trilogy of Spider-man and I think the last film in this trilogy is gonna be this. So they’re trying to build up to all those characters. So he might show up probably in us in the Spider-Man movie. But it’s all honestly up to whether Marvel’s gonna allow that. I mean in the end Sony produced this film. Sony owns all the rights to Marvel but Marvel doesn’t like what Sony’s doing right now so Marvel kind of has something to say against it but I think like in the end Sony has every right to do a film like that. Why did I think that Disney owns Marvel? Disney, didn’t Disney buy Marvel? Disney does own Marvel. Yeah. Sony is not part of Disney. Sony owns the Spider-Man character. Oh. Yeah like after Spider-Man was it No Way, not No Way Home, Far Far From Home or something? Yeah. After that film Sony actually made an official statement saying, from now on Tom Holland’s only going to be in Sony movies. He’s no longer going to be in the MCU. But then they pushed through with one more film, which was Far From Home. Far from, you know, but they got all the characters in there. Yeah. And then for No Way Home, when Sony realized how big of a success that was that they said, you know, you know what? We can do one more trilogy
Darlene Böcek [00:17:21]:
That’s interesting Okay, so What about Good and evil or spiritual take… spiritual takeaways from this movie? Was it an ethical movie?
Selen Bocek [00:17:38]:
Well I feel like he did try to hold on to his ethics throughout the movie. Like you said it kind of crumbled at the end when he became bad as well.
Darlene Böcek [00:17:49]:
Um,
Selen Bocek [00:17:51]:
but it was, uh, I don’t know. I’ve, I’ve found it. I found the ethics part to be… Just the fact that he was very faithful to his own beliefs, I think, was nice. He didn’t try and change it for the… Until the end. Until the end!
Darlene Böcek [00:18:19]:
Until the end, yeah. He’s like, wait, what? What do you think, Han? Was it… What are some spiritual truths that were missed or that were good in this movie? Um…
Han Bocek [00:18:29]:
Spiritual truths… Honestly, like, similar to Selen’s answer, like the whole mixture of him being this whole ethical dude and being like, oh, like, let me be truthful. Let me be this. Let me be that kind of like to all change at the end. But I’m still kind of a little debating about the end because like he doesn’t know who this vulture dude is he doesn’t know this guy’s bad and in the end the guy said hey maybe we can do some good so maybe he’s just like kind of in the middle where he thinks they are going to do good because obviously he’s not going to go around killing people we know that.
Selen Bocek [00:19:01]:
It kind of reminded me a little bit of uh Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. Because like I mean well well he’s trying to you know be a good guy um I don’t know, the virus or the serum thing just brings out all the evil in him, kind of like in Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. And I mean, I don’t know what he’s going to do at the very, at like, if there’s going to be a sequel, if he’s going to be bad or anything, but if he does end up being evil then it kind of does it’s very similar in that way.
Darlene Böcek [00:19:28]:
yes very true but dr. Dr. Jekyll killed himself yeah and that’s what we expected Yes, very true. But Dr. Jekyll killed himself. And that’s what we expected from this. You know that After the third Star Wars movie, Return of the Jedi, Harrison Ford wanted to die. He wanted to be a hero that died, like a savior kind of character. Well, not come back, because back then they didn’t come back after they died like they do now. Loki. Yeah. But he wanted to die and they wouldn’t let him. I think maybe it was after.
Selen Bocek [00:20:13]:
He died in 1 of the newer ones.
Darlene Böcek [00:20:19]:
The first 1, Kylo Ren. Yeah, he died with Kylo Ren. The reason that he pushed for that, I was so shocked at that. I still haven’t recovered. How many years has it been since I came? I still haven’t recovered. They have that meme of Kylo Ren and Harrison Ford, and I just hate that meme. I was like, no, it was a terrible moment. Remember, my son’s name is Han. So I was very influenced by Harrison Ford. Anyway, so after Return of the Jedi, when they said, if you die, We won’t be able to sell the toys as well We want to be able to sell the toys of Han Solo because if he dies, then people aren’t going to want to buy that toy and he was really cross the story goes he was really upset that they made a decision just for the sale of toys instead of what would be dramatically powerful. And it would have been dramatically powerful if Harrison Ford died really I feel if he died in like.
Selen Bocek [00:21:22]:
Like a really cool like trying to save everyone type of way. I feel like his sales would go up, you know.
Darlene Böcek [00:21:29]:
Yeah, you’d think so. But do you know that? Chewy would have died which would have been no problem at the ribbon ceremony because he didn’t even get an award, you know? It was only the captains, I guess, that got an award. But he maybe also he might have taken… it was the wrong person to die. You know, if he had died, maybe he would have been the hero of the story. You know, and it would have taken the attention off of Luke, who was the hero. What do you think Chica, are you contributing? So in maybe they –my point is that –maybe they didn’t have him die though he should have either as a twist which wasn’t a very good twist because it didn’t make us satisfied or maybe to sell the toys you know and sell the next franchise. The next movie because if he dies then you can’t use him again yeah Unless he comes back because this is Marvel, right? Unless it’s actually Loki in disguise. Oh no. Oh no. Okay, so I would call that moral relativism, narcissistic hedonism because he’s just living for himself. At the end where he’s been ethical. He’s had a moral code all along. He gives it up at the very end, which is just it’s relative. It’s okay for me. It’s not okay for you to live by your rules, but it’s okay for me to live by my rules. He’s not forcing the same standard on everyone which he was doing all along. He’s like we can’t live we are hurting people and then at the end he’s like eh you know. I think that that’s where the movie failed for me that very last bit. It’s kind of cool how he flew up with the bats. Yeah.
Selen Bocek [00:23:26]:
I really like the bats.
Darlene Böcek [00:23:30]:
Okay, so now we’re moving on to Guardians of the Galaxy.
Selen Bocek [00:23:32]:
This 1 was so good. I love this 1. Okay, tell us what you think about it. It was sad, like everyone’s been saying. It was really sad. I teared up twice in the theaters. I love the whole like the background story part of Rocket just you know just making plans with his friends to you know get out of that place and find a better home. And that part was really sad. I really liked that part. And the whole, just the development that the team members have together throughout the movie, I feel like was really nice. Like you get to see their characters more in depth and their like relationships with each other, and just see it develop throughout and I I feel like that part was also really nice because after the second one…the second Guardians of the Galaxy was like really bad. And personally, I didn’t like it. But I hardly remember anything from it. So I feel like this was a really strong comeback for that franchise. What do you think, Han?
Han Bocek [00:24:49]:
The VFX, the fight scenes, I really like them. I like the excessive use of wide camera angles. The jokes, everything was really nice. It was obviously a little sad. I’d put it top 5 Marvel movies for me. Yeah, the villain was also really interesting. Very good villain. Very good. Dark. Yeah. Like…
Darlene Böcek [00:25:12]:
Idealistic. Yeah, idealistic. Dark. Yeah, he was idealistic, but then in the end… What was it that they said at the end? That he was pushing, I just wanted a perfect world, but actually he also enjoyed destroying what he had created. He just enjoyed the experimenting. So he’s kind of, he was a mad scientist. Not just, I’m just trying to find the cure. It’s more of, it’s okay, we’ll just start over. It’s okay, we’ll just destroy them all.
Han Bocek [00:25:47]:
Yeah, also at the very end, this has been confirmed by the director that like, spoiler alert, after the guy was killed, like after his face was peeled off and everything, when the Guardians of the Galaxy was walking back to the ship carrying all the kids and the animals Drax was actually carrying the guy. Yeah? Yeah he’s actually not dead.
Selen Bocek [00:26:08]:
is it like it’s confirmed? mm-hmm Oh you know who else I really liked Warlock I I was kind of disappointed that he wasn’t there more in the movie because I really enjoyed his role, I feel like he brought a different level of humor to it. He’s the whistle guy? No, not the whistle, but you know the golden…
Han Bocek [00:26:29]:
Golden guy? HE didn’t have much to do.
Selen Bocek [00:26:31]:
He was weird, he was like this innocent guy He was funny weird, I really liked him At least he survived I would have liked to see him more in the movie. Yeah at the end when when he was saved. I felt like that was really cool. Yeah he’s actually crazy crazy powerful. Like they kind of downgraded him a little bit.
Darlene Böcek [00:26:47]:
I hope we get a movie for him later or something or just like it’s more bold than it. He didn’t present, he wasn’t presented as heroic, he was presented as a goofball.
Han Bocek [00:26:58]:
Yeah. They didn’t present him as having a brain. He was more controlled. Because he doesn’t have a brain, that’s the whole idea. Yeah. He was just, he’s an experiment. Yeah. But we can obviously see he’s slowly starting to develop these emotions. Oh, really? Yeah, like looking at the dog, saying, well, that makes me feel sad. I don’t like how that makes me feel. Or that thing looks sad. I don’t like how that makes me feel.
Darlene Böcek [00:27:18]:
Oh, that’s interesting. I mean, he’s not Vision. Nothing like Vision, who came ready-made with his emotions.
Han Bocek [00:27:28]:
Oh, did you guys notice the scene when Warlock was saving Peter? Like, they’re in space, and like, Peter’s got his hand out, and then like, for a second, you can see the whole like, what do you call that? The creation of man. Yeah.
Darlene Böcek [00:27:46]:
Which is backwards the AI is creating the life for the human. I really thought he was gonna die there. I was like, it’s such a sad movie. And I thought the saddest was Rocket’s gonna die because then Rocket dies, but then no, and then it’s like Peter died. Oh, I thought it was Rocket, but it’s Peter who died. And then he’s gonna die. No, we don’t die in Marvel. We don’t die. Except for the place they lived was Nowhere, which is a god’s skull, right? So gods die but regular people don’t. I thought the movie was, wasn’t as great. I wouldn’t say it’s a top 5, sorry. I wasn’t, I was expecting different, okay? So what do we see? We see him… there after Rocket. Awesome. You know, they’re going to save someone. But generally that kind of thing is a side plot. You know, generally rescuing someone is a side plot. And it was a side plot that becomes the main plot without… And then the main plot becomes a side plot right the side plot got introduced first But the main plot was this long-term program of trying to create a utopia, right? But that’s the side, that becomes a side plot. The story kind of had two directions it was going, which usually you have some sort of a relationship story which is fine, but they presented the movie as if we are going to rescue Rocket. But actually when the guy, the very first thing that happened is, what’s his name? The golden man? Oh, Warlock. Warlock shows up, right? So Warlock shows there’s a problem. He does start the original, the overall story with hurting Rocket, right? And then he leaves without taking Rocket. If he had taken Rocket, that might have been “go rescue,” you know, and then “try to find a cure.” But instead it was like, let’s go find a cure. Interesting how they found out that he needed a cure. It was kind of circumstantially. I didn’t hate the movie at all. I enjoy I always enjoy watching movies with you guys And we saw that we saw that together. And Rocket, we got to see his life. I loved that backstory.
Selen Bocek [00:30:37]:
It was really cute. What was it? Floor, what were their names? Floor, Layla, Teefs.
Han Bocek [00:30:46]:
Floor, Layla, and Teefs. Layla’s the only one who had a good name. Everyone else sucked.
Selen Bocek [00:30:53]:
That one part where the bunny was like, like, you know, Rocket, Teefs, go now. That part was sad and then he died. It was like, come on.
Darlene Böcek [00:31:03]:
Yeah. You know, you can see how why he’s so hardened. You know, that that was really good that they explained it, you know, we just thought he was all along we thought he was hardened because he’d been tortured but actually the torture was an emotional torture. Yeah. You know but it was cute that was a cute aspect to it. What kind of spiritual takeaways do we have from this?
Selen Bocek [00:31:33]:
One of the parts that I noticed, I think it was like towards the end, when the villain, what was the villain’s name by the way? Do you remember?
Han Bocek [00:31:43]:
High Evolutionary.
Darlene Böcek [00:31:44]:
High Evolutionary.
Han Bocek [00:31:46]:
He’s so narcissistic. Did you see him step on the steps well when the girl was taller than him? Yeah, or like Rocket was like can’t and then he was like it’s “can’t.”
Selen Bocek [00:31:58]:
Yeah, hi evolutionary at the very at the towards the end when he was like trying to make orders and his people or his like staff I guess, they were trying to like contradict or not contradict but say like you know if we do this then it’s gonna be bad basically and he made some statements like, he made one statement he was like, “There is no God, that’s why I had to step in.” And right after that, the people around him turned on him and you know tried to I guess shoot him their feeble attempt their feeble attempt to stop him but didn’t really work. I thought that part was really interesting.
Darlene Böcek [00:32:48]:
My problem with that scene is they didn’t explain that he had a device like that.
Han Bocek [00:32:55]:
No, that was just his own power. He had powers? I’m pretty sure he has a tele… Like where you can just move things. Well then wouldn’t his people know that? Yeah but like they’re…
Selen Bocek [00:33:05]:
They still do what they can.
Han Bocek [00:33:08]:
Plus keep in mind they’re all programmed like they’re not like you don’t have these emotions like oh I want to live. Were they all robots? Yeah everyone there’s not noone there’s like real like those people with the things in their heads and everything all designed by him.
Darlene Böcek [00:33:21]:
They were just controlled by him. I didn’t know that they were all robots
Han Bocek [00:33:25]:
Not necessarily robots more like humans who have been completely like remade. But yeah, But 1 thing I noticed in Marvel movies was, I don’t know if they did this intentionally, but like, obviously there’s always like a talk about, oh this person’s a god, this person’s a god, but they also like, um, they always show how only the people who think they’re gods are always the ones who fail because they’re not actually gods.
Selen Bocek [00:33:49]:
yeah I got Loki. yeah well did then is he kind of actually he actually didn’t think he was God he was just trying to play like he had the right to
Han Bocek [00:33:59]:
yeah honestly like everyone’s yeah realistically okay I’m not fully against Thanos Like not his younger self, but his older self He was actually fairly mature like he was like, hey, like it isn’t gonna be completely random. I have nothing against anyone We just got to do it for the greater good And he’s a guy who also honors his word like when Tony’s when Dr. Strange gave him with the stone he said , “Okay Tony you like you can live. I’ll let you live.” But younger him in Endgame that was the dangerous one, cuz like you can see him like actually trying to kill the Avengers rather than just be Them in his way type of thing. So yeah
Darlene Böcek [00:34:43]:
So what about We haven’t talked about reductive naturalism the idea that nature is the boss. Do you see any of that in either of these movies? Space. Anything that’s like evolution says we are just a natural product we are the product.
Selen Bocek [00:35:06]:
maybe like the part where you know the high evolutionary he was trying to change these animals. Like, you know that 1 turtle scene? That scene was terrifying, by the way. The turtle became a monster. Yeah. Like, yeah. His whole, his whole, like, thing, I guess, was, you know, taking these, these natural animals and trying to change them into different things. Even the world that he made is still just weird creatures, or animals that are acting like humans. So yeah, I think that part kind of shows a little bit of reductive naturalism.
Darlene Böcek [00:35:59]:
Because it’s just, we are in control, we are in control of the direction that we’re moving and this is completely science. And just like an experiment that fails, you say it’s failed and start over with new mice, you know, and those animals were his experimental animals. It’s really sad about Rocket’s friends. Yeah.
Selen Bocek [00:36:28]:
That one part at the end, when he’s, he, he saved, like, you know, they save all the kids and then he sees that there are the, there’s the other animals there. And he’s just like looking at the little, the little raccoons, raccoon babies. And then he sees, you know, on the side it says the species is raccoon. That part was really emotional. Because you know throughout like the other movies he’s always like I’m not I’m not a raccoon and he’s that then he’s like I’m Rocket Raccoon.
Darlene Böcek [00:37:02]:
yeah that’s funny that That whole we got to save everyone we haven’t saved everyone and then everybody comes in and rescues all the all the animals. You know it’s just like oh yeah you know. I was told you’re gonna cry and I thought it was because Rocket was going to die or something like that. But I just cried right there. I cried because they rescued the animals. It’s a happy cry, not a sad Rocket’s dead. I wasn’t so sad about Peter dying. Me either.
Selen Bocek [00:37:34]:
It would have been sad but like it would have been like oh okay.
Darlene Böcek [00:37:38]:
So what about autonomous individualism? What is that?
Selen Bocek [00:37:45]:
Where you feel like you have the right to control yourself. You decide your own future.
Darlene Böcek [00:37:55]:
You decide your own everything. So where do we, which is another one of the false philosophies, anti-god philosophies that are in this world. So where do you see that in either of these movies that we watched?
Selen Bocek [00:38:10]:
Well, in Morbius, what was Milo? He kind of had, he had a very individualistic mindset. I mean, everything he was doing after he got the serum in him was just for himself.
Darlene Böcek [00:38:29]:
I can do what I want yeah I can do what I want nothing can stop me And now finally I have all the power. What do you think, Han? Where do you see it? Guardians of the Galaxy. Do you see anybody that’s kind of just going, just I can do what I want, my life is whatever I want it to be?
Selen Bocek [00:38:46]:
High evolutionary. But like he was, he, I don’t know, he was trying to control, I mean he he was like wanting all the power to himself and he was also trying to, you know, have power over everyone else as well. Like, you know, making a whole planet just for himself. Or like for his ideas, his experiments. So he definitely plays into that role too.
Darlene Böcek [00:39:19]:
What do you think Han?
Han Bocek [00:39:22]:
I agree with Selen. Besides him, can’t really, maybe Adam Warlock but then again.
Selen Bocek [00:39:26]:
He didn’t really like, yeah, I don’t really feel like a sense of individualism from him.
Han Bocek [00:39:35]:
Like he was doing what people were telling him to do. Yeah, but like towards the end, obviously, he started being like, I’m not going to listen to anyone anymore. Yeah, but it wasn’t so it wasn’t. Yeah, not in a bad way.
Darlene Böcek [00:39:47]:
So he broke off from the the wrong control that he was under, and he came under the power, under the control of the ethic of the people, like the save everyone ethic. Remember, he says, “Why are you saving me?” And so the save everyone ethic that he was against at the beginning, he was forced against, he gave that up. So in a sense, the morality of the story was “don’t hurt other people,” right? And “let’s help each other and let’s save our friends.” It’s just a very strong friendship, friendship message. I think that’s probably Selen why you really liked it because it was all about friendship and you are very faithful. Friendship is magic, as My little pony says. Yeah. So any last words about these movies?
Selen Bocek [00:40:43]:
For Morbius, I would say I liked the idea of Morbius, I’ll admit that. I feel like the idea in the beginning was pretty cool. I feel like in some ways they could have made it better and that way I’d enjoy watching it more. Like it wasn’t a bad movie, but I feel like it could have been made in a better way. As for Guardians of the Galaxy, that one is in my top 5. I really liked that one and I liked all the the character developments that I saw in it and just you know the CGI was also really really cool and I just I really liked that one
Han Bocek [00:41:30]:
mm-hmm. Yeah I can say the same I feel like if they made Morbius in a more like horror rated R horror gruesome movie with these type of visual effects. It could be really good as for Guardians of the Galaxy, it’s a good film good way to finish up the trilogy.
Darlene Böcek [00:41:46]:
Yeah, I I think it’s fun to watch Marvel movies. I think they’re really clever. We have to be beware of the philosophies that are coming in and be discerning. Before we close up this episode I wanted to talk about the idea of a book that I read recently called Christian Horror by Mike Duran. And in that book he says that Christians should write and read horror. And that the horror genre belongs to Christianity. Can you guess why he would say that?
Selen Bocek [00:42:38]:
Maybe because like there’s a lot of unex… Like there are things that people say are like like you know people believe in a lot of supernatural things and they’re always like… You know, the Sasquatch or aliens or those types of things. And to someone who doesn’t have like, um, who’s maybe like an atheist or something would say, it’s uh, it is just what it is. But when you have a more like Christian perspective, you can kind of take things that you you… Like you can apply some… What’s that word… Like it can be kind of explained through some views in Christianity, if you know what I mean. Yeah, maybe that’s why they say horror is Christian genre.
Darlene Böcek [00:43:43]:
Horror should be consumed by Christians. It doesn’t, They’re not saying that you got to spoon feed children horror movies, make them sit in front of some sort of terrifying thing. But why do you think he would say it? Han, why do you think he would say that Christians should not just automatically write off anything that’s scary. You know how they say they do these ratings. It’s like Family-friendly means that it’s got no swearing. No violence. No sex, you know. But then the violence part is what makes it Christian right? So you end up with these Amish? Dramas, you know… Remember when we were watching those like “Love comes Softly” things we just got sick of them because there was just no content. You know there was it was so empty. Sorry for a Jeanette Oak fans out there but it was just felt so like it’s missing the drama. But why would back to my question for you, Han? Why do you think that somebody would say that? The Christians should not automatically write off scary movies
Han Bocek [00:45:02]:
It’s good to scare yourself once in a while, humble yourself up and prepare yourself for the hardships of this world and demons.
Darlene Böcek [00:45:12]:
Yeah, you know there’s another world out there that we need to not pretend is not there. It’s easy. This is the reductive naturalism that says nothing here but this world, nothing here but this world, there’s no spirit world. Well in which country is that? A Middle Eastern country. It’ll come to me in a second … uh… They forbid the movie Exorcist from showing and the reason that they forbid exorcist from showing they forbid their to show in the movie to the in the country (Tunisia) because it was forbid exorcists from showing in Tunisia because it was too much of Christian propaganda. The guy who made the Exorcist said that the reason it resonates is because of his Christian faith. The guy who made it was a Christian. I’ve never seen Exorcist. Have you guys seen Exorcist? I don’t know that I’m going to watch it and do a podcast about it. But the point that Mike Duran is making is that goodness versus evil is our story. Light versus darkness is our story. If there is no darkness, then light is shining in the light. It’s like light shine a candle in the sunshine you know oh yeah there’s a cute little candle over there but when it’s at night that makes much more clear that there’s a light there. So any final words? Anything else to say about anything? That’s it for me. I do want to ask you, Han, what’s coming, what’s on the agenda for the Marvel future?
Han Bocek [00:46:59]:
Marvel’s slowing down their production because they’ve realized Phase 4 they rushed a lot of projects that were really bad. So now they’re gonna slow it down a little bit more. I think this summer a movie comes out called The Marvels. I have 0% interest in it and I would not waste my money on that. It’s like the three female like Brie Larson. (Oh, nevermind, then). It’s like Miss Marvel, Captain Marvel and like some random other girl. It’s like Captain Marvel 2 basically. There was a Captain Marvel movie, I forgot about that one. I forgot about it too. And after that, honestly, I don’t know about anything that’s coming out anytime soon. What about other cool pop-culture movies? Flash is coming out sometime. That one looks really interesting. Yeah that comes out in 2 weeks. (That’s DC?) Yeah that’s DC. Here’s the thing though. DC is now gonna be ran by James Gunn which is the guy who directed Guardians of the Galaxy. DC’s been getting crazy like you know like they’re… DC has never been able to perform well. They can make good movies but they don’t have they can never keep the same actor they keep on switching up their actors. (The Batman actor always confuses me like I don’t know which ones the official yeah like but uh)
Darlene Böcek [00:48:20]:
we got the vampire we got the you know we got the was Bruce Willis Batman at one point
Han Bocek [00:48:29]:
last I heard it’s Ben Affleck but I think it’s been changed yeah but it’s been to Robert Pattinson but in the Flash film apparently they’re gonna do Ben Affleck Batman and they’re bringing back Michael Keaton Batman. Remember the Batman movie? So they’re gonna have 3 Batmans? 2. They’re not gonna have Robert Pattinson. In the same movie? 2, yes. It’s like a Spider-Man No Way Home type of movie. So Flash is like…
Darlene Böcek [00:48:52]:
They have to like do their little, “We have we have multiverses, too!”
Han Bocek [00:48:58]:
That looks interesting that comes out August 16th, I think I want I want DC to have a good future. They can make good films. In fact, some of their films, I think, are better than Marvel films. (Batman versus Superman was really good.) A lot of people hated it, but it was really good. (All I can remember is that hairy chest.)
Darlene Böcek [00:49:13]:
What? That was Justice League. That was Justice League. Superman’s hairy chest is like, eww.
Han Bocek [00:49:19]:
I mean, I really wish they kept Henry Cavill.
Darlene Böcek [00:49:24]:
Yeah. Yeah, I guess there’s that big problem about him being rejected, huh?
Han Bocek [00:49:30]:
Yeah. No, it was very, I don’t know if you guys actually watched Black Adam. I saw it So it’s basically yes DC. So you guys know Shazam? Yeah, Black Adam is like the bad guy of the Shazam family and it’s like the actors the rock and
Darlene Böcek [00:49:46]:
Dwayne do we see him as anything except all these comedies he’s done? No. These Daddy Daycare comedies. He’s always funny.
Han Bocek [00:49:57]:
That movie was… It’s like that again VFX action is so good, but they have to add something that just makes it super cringy in this 1 It was like this 12 year old like boy in Egypt or something who’s like fighting for the freedom of his land And like it’s just there are some some of the most illogical scenes like he’s at the top of an apartment This kid is at the top of the apartment and there are like 20 guards You know going up the stairs trying to go to where he is. And to be more quiet, instead of tiptoeing across the hallway, he puts his skateboard down and pushes it slowly. Instead of actually stepping across in socks he gets on top of the skateboard and slowly like pushes it at the very end to get his skateboard just so he can put in his hand faster he slams on the ground and yeah but no it was it was a fail the rock fought so hard for are you guys gonna watch that movie no okay the rock fought very hard for Henry Cavill to be in the end credits scene and Henry Cavill was put in the end credits scene and then like 2 weeks later DC dropped Henry Cavill again and I’m pretty sure they’re dropping The Rock now.
Darlene Böcek [00:51:04]:
What? They don’t have enough money as what I heard they can’t afford it because it didn’t do well So go see DC movies so we can get some more money. (Yeah, I look forward to Flash. Flash trailer was really, really good.) I’m really excited for that 1. All right. Well, this episode has been sponsored by Second Thessalonians 110. “He comes on that day to be glorified in his saints and to be marveled at among all who have believed.” All right, friends, thank you for listening to the All-Marveled podcast. This has been episode 7 of our podcast. You can find show notes for this episode, including links to everything we talked about at ChristianUniverse.org. Take a look. We also have a quiz to test Whether or Not you Will Survive an Apocalypse. If you want to find that out, take a look. Take a gander at that. Again, ChristianUniverse.org. That’s it for this time so long goodbye bye bye you
